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Letter from the veteran Lucretius to his son Ammonianos about collecting rents at Tanis TM 29470Arsinoites (?)II

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A business letter from the veteran Lucretius to his son Ammonianos and his brothers, urging them to make sure rents in grain owed by Petiris at Tanis are collected and asking Ammonianos to come and manage affairs so Lucretius can travel. The verso carries the address and a short account of payments to workmen drawing water. It dates to the 2nd century AD, probably from the Arsinoite nome.

In English machine translation

[recto] Lucretius to Ammonianos, together with his brothers, many greetings. I want you to know that I cannot leave things here and go up unless you come and look after things here. Do everything so that Thermouthis goes off to Tanis, and press hard until he receives the rents. Petiris owes 43 artabas, 43, and the 40 artabas of wheat for the ten arouras, in your matia measure; he has them in Tanis. And ask Nephotianos to go with Thermouthis until he takes delivery. If you see that you cannot settle it, come and find me, so that I will go up and hire, and assess the crop. If you can come to me, I too will go up. Do not neglect to come down, and write about your welfare. I pray that you are well with the children, and all of yours, whom I pray to be in good health. [verso] Deliver to Ammonianos from Lucretius, veteran, his father, at the house of Gamikis son of Likinios. 18th: drawing water, 4 workmen, 4 drachmas 4 obols 18th: drawing water […] 18th: drawing water […] 18th: drawing water […]

The matia (mation) was a local grain measure. The address calls Lucretius the father, though the letter addresses Ammonianos with his brothers; the closing greeting is garbled in the original.

Working translation of the DDbDP edition, made with Claude Opus 5.5 from the edition and the catalogue records shown below (catalogued as Lettre d'affaires de Lucretius à Ammonianos). It has not been reviewed by a papyrologist: check the edition before citing. Restorations follow the edition; […] marks lost text and (?) an uncertain reading.

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Papyri.info — DDbDP (Duke Databank of Documentary Papyri) — text · II · Arsinoites (?)

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